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Do you believe that babies go to hell or not? Please
support your answer with Scripture."
This is an issue that challenges or questions the justice of
God. It is a legitimate question, and I must say at the outset we
cannot give a total answer. But there are passages in the Bible
which shed a great deal of light on the subject. I will try to
address the ones that have come to my mind which I think bear
directly or indirectly on your question of the
innocence/accountability of children.
Generally speaking, we are asking the question, " What do
children know and when do they know it? And the key issue here is
one of comprehension of, or the understanding of the Gospel
message. This is not only true for children, it is true for
adults. When Philip saw the Ethiopian eunuch sitting in his
chariot reading Isaiah 53, he was instructed by the Holy Spirit
(Acts 8:29) to "Go up and join this chariot."
Philip asked him if he understood what he was reading.
The eunuch replied, "Well, how could I, unless someone
guides Me?" (v. 31). Acts 8:32-40 goes on to relate that
Philip explained how this Eunuch could become a Christian. He
responded and was baptized.
My point in beginning with this incident is because there can be
no salvation without an understanding of the gospel message. We
find Paul throughout the book of Acts reasoning, debating,
contending with people so they might understand the message of
salvation. And so children must be old enough to
understand the gospel, which involves a comprehension of
their own personal sin and guilt.
This brings the next question: At what age would that be?
I am sorry that I cannot give an affirmative answer since the
Scripture never pinpoints clearly the exact age when this occurs.
The Talmud from ancient times designated age thirteen for boys
("Bar Mitzvah,"--cf. Judaism, Arthur Hertzberg, p.
100) and twelve for girls ("Bat Mizvah"). This was the
time when Jewish boys and girls became responsible for themselves
and were to observe all the rituals, feasts, etc., incumbent upon
them as members of the Jewish community. It was also the time when
the boys were allowed (called) to read the Torah as full members of
the worshipping community.
The confirmation services for the young which are practiced in
all Catholic, Greek Orthodox, and some Protestant churches are
based on the earlier Jewish traditions above. All of them,
including the Jewish community, have traditionally set the
"age of accountability at about age twelve.
It is also interesting that Luke records the incident at the
temple where a twelve-year-old Jesus lagged behind his family and was
found (three days later!) in the temple "sitting amidst the
teachers both listening to them and asking them questions. . .And
all who heard Him were amazed at His understanding and His
answers." (Luke 2:46,47).
We can glean from other Old Testament passages additional
insights:
- I Samuel 1:22-18; 3:1-19: Hannah, married to
Elkanah, was barren. She made a vow to the Lord that if He would
give her a son, she would dedicate him to the Lord for lifelong
service. God graciously did so, and Samuel was born. Hannah cared
for him and told her husband she would not go up to the Tabernacle
(at Shiloh) for the annual sacrifice (Day of Atonement) until she
had weaned Samuel, saying, "I will not go up until the
child is weaned; then I will bring him, that he may appear before
the Lord and stay there forever." (1:22).
The weaning of Hebrew (and other ancient) children did not occur
until two or three years, and nursing may have extended beyond to
perhaps age five. Therefore Samuel was a very young boy when he
was dedicated to the service of the temple. Hannah says on this
occasion, "For this boy I prayed, and the Lord has given me my
petition which I asked of Him. . .So I have also dedicated him to
the Lord; as long as he lives he is dedicated to the Lord. And she
worshipped the Lord there."(1:27,28). We are also
told in 2:11 that "the boy ministered to the Lord before Eli
the priest."Verses 2:18-21 indicate that the boy was
visited each year by his mother, at which time she would bring him
a new, little robe. Several years are indicated in this passage,
including the fact that Hannah had given birth to three more sons
and two daughters. We can conclude, since Samuel was at least
three or four years old when initially brought to the temple, he
would at least be nine or ten, and could have been even older (a
teenager) when he had his visitation and call from the Lord in I
Samuel 3:1-21. The critical verse in this chapter is as follows:
"Now Samuel did not yet know the Lord, nor had the word
of the Lord yet been revealed to him." (v. 7).
So here again, Samuel could well have been around age twelve
when this event occurred, an incident pointing out a demarcation in
his life--of "not knowing" and then "knowing"
the Lord.
- Another passage which marks out this demarcation is found
in Nehemiah 8:1-3. After Nehemiah and the Jews had rebuilt the
walls of Jerusalem they gathered together in worship to hear Ezra
the Scribe read the Torah: "And the people gathered as one
man, . . .and they asked Ezra the scribe to bring the book of the
law of Moses which the Lord had given to Israel. Then Ezra the
priest brought the law before the assembly of men, women, and
all who could listen with understanding. And he read
from it before the Water Gate from early morning until midday, in
the presence of men and women, those who
could understand; and all the people were
attentive to the book of the law. . .And they read from the
book, from the law of God, translating to give the sense so
that they understood the reading (v.8). By
implication, the younger children--those without understanding--were
not present.
- Another interesting "accountability" issue is
found in the Torah which involves the numbering of the fighting men
of Israel in the book of Numbers. We are told in Numbers 1 that
Moses was instructed to "take a census of all the congregation
of the sons of Israel, and their families. . .according to the
number of names, every male, head by head from twenty years and
upward, whoever is able to go out to war in Israel."
(1:2,3). This passage informs us that there were no
teenagers in Israels army. This census was taken at the
end of the entire year the Israelites spent at Mt. Sinai where they
received the Law, and during which time they built the Tabernacle
and organized themselves into a well-defined community. They were
now to embark upon the conquest of Canaan. However, they were
called upon to postpone that conquest because of their unbelief
and disobedience at Kadesh Barnea. God sent them into the
wilderness for forty years after their "Reconnaissance"
of Canaan by the twelve spies ended in failure.
After this forty year exile we read in Deuteronomy 2:14-16, "Now
the time that it took for us to come from Kadesh-barnea to (here
has been) thirty-eight years; until all the generation of the men
of war perished from within the camp, as the Lord had sworn to
them. Moreover the hand of the Lord was against them, to destroy
them from within the camp, until they all perished."
What is significant here is that those men who perished were
those selected for the army forty years earlier whose ages ranged
from twenty to age sixty. The Bible says that by thirty-eight
years later, all of these men, the men of "unbelief,"
had now died off, leaving only the new generation which
would be allowed to enter Canaan. This new "fighting
force" would include that original group of males (from age 1
to 19 (which would now be ages 40 to 59) as well as all the males
which had been born during the roughly forty years of Wilderness
wanderings. So here again, there is an "age of
accountability" factor taken into account by the Lord and His
servant, Moses. There was no judgment upon this younger group of
males. They were allowed to enter Canaan and participate in the
conquest of the Land.
There is another passage that touches on this later "age of
accountability" from the life of Jehoiachin, II Kings 24:8:
"Jehoiachin was eighteen years old when he became king.
. .and he did evil in the sight of the Lord, according to
all that his father had done." So here we find an eighteen-
year-old king who is viewed by the Lord as being accountable for
the evil he had already done.
I put this section in, but I dont personally believe that
exempting the "under-twenty-year-olds" at the time of the
Exodus is a likely precedent for an age of accountability.
Furthermore, we find in the legal regulations of the Torah that a
disobedient and unmanageable teenager was responsible for his
actions, and could be stoned to death by the community! This could
occur for cursing his parents, violence, drunkenness, adultery, and
so forth. So, in my thinking, the ten to twelve year age would
seem more likely for an age of understanding or accountability.
- Another passage which bears upon our question comes from
the life of David, and specifically the outcome of his sin with
Bathsheba and the premeditated murder of her husband, Uriah the
Hittite (II Samuel 11 & 12). You will recall that David lusted
after Bathshebas great beauty and committed adultery with her,
after which she became pregnant (11:1-5). David gave instructions
to have Uriah placed "in the fiercest battle and withdraw from
him so that he may be struck down and die." (11:15). After
Uriahs death, David brought Bathsheba to his house as his wife,
and she bore him a son. (11:27) Nathan the prophet confronts David
with his sin and says, "because by this deed you have given
occasion to the enemies of the Lord to blaspheme, the child also
that is born to you shall surely die.: Then the Lord struck the
child that Uriahs widow bore to David, so that he was very
sick." (12:14,15).
The child lingered for seven days and then died. During this
time, David prayed and fasted and laid on the ground. When the
child died the servants were afraid to tell David, but he saw them
whispering and they finally told him, "He is dead."
(12:19).
When David heard this, he got up, washed himself, changed his
clothes, asked for food and ate. His servants were perplexed by
this: while the child lived, David mourned. When the child died,
David got up and ate food. They wondered why. David said,
"While the child was still alive, I fasted and wept; for I
said, Who knows, the Lord may be gracious to me, that the child may
live. But now he has died; why should I fast.? Can I bring him
back again? I shall go to him, but he will not
return to me." (12:22,23)
David has a view of death and immortality which expresses itself
in this incident involving the death of a child. David believes in
the after life. In Psalm 23 he concludes by saying: "Surely
goodness and mercy shall follow me all the days of my life, and I
will dwell in the house of the Lord forever."So for
David there was a place for the dead, including children--the
house, or the dwelling place, of the Lord. David also speaks of
this in Psalm 16:9,10 where he says, "For thou wilt not
abandon (leave) my soul in Sheol (the grave); Neither wilt Thou
allow Thy Holy One to see (experience) decay (corruption)."
David believes in the resurrection of the body--for himself, and
for the Messiah (the Holy One) (see also Acts 13:35). Job says
something very similar: "And as for me, I know that my
Redeemer lives, and at the last He will take His stand on the
earth. Even after my skin is flayed (corrupted) Yet without my
flesh I shall see God; Whom I myself shall behold, and whom my
eyes shall see and not another."
The point of Davids perspective is that he believes that
the child is still alive and in Gods presence, David anticipates
that when he dies, he will join his little son in the house
of the Lord: "I shall go to him."
- Finally, we have the teachings of Jesus Himself. In
Matthew 19:13-15, our Lord says as the children we being hindered
from coming near to Him, "Let the children alone, and do
not hinder them from coming to me; for the kingdom of heaven
belongs to such as these, and after laying His hands on them, He
departed. . ."
Christ has a special love for little children. Why He
associates children with the Kingdom of Heaven is because it is the
place of the innocent, the blameless. It would appear that Jesus
sees children in this light. The whole trend of Scripture seems to
teach that the innocents who are too young to sin and too young to
accept Christ intelligently (with understanding!), are safe
in the arms of a just and holy God.
We need never fear about God being unjust. He cannot be. His
mercy and justice are from everlasting to everlasting. I therefore
conclude, that there will be no children in hell. There will also
be no retarded, or otherwise mentally-incapacitated individuals
there, those who cannot fully comprehend and understand what Christ
has accomplished on their behalf at Calvary.
In summary, I think we can conclude the following:
First, that there is some period of "grace" afforded
the young before they have developed an understanding to fully
comprehend the gospel message and its implications for their
lives.
Second, there seems to be good scriptural support that all
infants, like Davids little son, go immediately, in their
innocence, into the arms of the Lord.
Third, that the likely range of such an age of
"accountability " may occur around the time of
puberty.
Fourth, that we are not saying children younger than this
"accountability age" commit no sin (as sinful tendencies
and acts occur quite early in children), and because of their
fallen nature, they do these things spontaneously, things which
they have definitely NOT learned from their parents or their
friends). What we are saying is that up to the point when they
reach clear understanding, they do not come under the judgment of
the Law.
Im sure that much more could be gleaned from the scriptures on
this, but these passages came to my mind. At least its a start at
answering your question, D____. I hope this helps.
Jimmy Williams, Founder
Probe Ministries
Yes Sir, that does help. Thanks very much. What you wrote is
what Ive long believed, without really knowing how to defend it
biblically.
Now for a follow-up question which seems to spring quite
logically from what you wrote: If God exempts from holding
accountable for their sins those who are not old enough to have
"understanding," and those of any age who are incapable
of having "understanding" (such as the mentally
retarded), is it also possible, Scripturally speaking, that He
exempts in some measure those who have never heard of Jesus at
alljudging them perhaps by whatever standard He utilized for those
before Christ (lived), both Jews and non-Jews, some of whom
certainly gained eternal life, rather than automatically condemning
them for not accepting the Savior of whom they never heard?
I would suggest you check the Probe web site and look for
three files which address this question:
"What
About the Person Who Never Heard of Jesus,"
"Is
Jesus the Only Savior?" and "Salvation: A Second
Chance."
I would say in addition, to your remarks about Old Testament
believers, that there were two kinds of people before Christ just
as there are two kinds of people now: believers and
unbelievers.
It is helpful for me to think of this in terms of a painting.
As early as Genesis 3:15, immediately after the
"Disobedience/Fall" God began to reveal His plan of
redemption. He speaks there of the "Seed" of a
Woman" who would one day crush the head of Satan and
destroy his power and influence on the earth.
As we move through the Old Testament, God continues, with broad
strokes at first, to sketch out the details of Who this Person
would be. By the time we get to Malachi, a fairly accurate
portrait of Messiah and His Mission has been provided. The New
Testament is the fulfillment of that unfolding from the Old.
Jesus said, "Your Father Abraham saw my day (time, era) and
rejoiced in it" (John 8:16). Now, what did He see (comprehend, understand)? Not
the whole picture revealed in the New Testament, but enough
information for him to have a basis (Gods promise of a Messiah)
for his trust, his belief, at that time.
Noah is another example. There is nothing directly mentioned
about the Messiah in the Noah narrative (except the fact that the
Ark itself is a type of Christ--those inside the Ark were
saved; those outside the Ark perished), the important principle is
that God revealed some things to Noah and asked him to be obedient
to them.
We cannot understand this Old Testament Salvation issue unless
we see clearly what God was doing. What was He doing from Genesis
3:15 to the end of the Old Testament? He was progressively
revealing more and more details about His promised Messiah.
Hebrews 1:1-2 says, "God spoke long ago to the fathers by the
prophets and in may portions and in many ways, in these last days
has spoken to us in His Son, whom He appointed heir of all things,
through whom also He made the world."
It seems apparent that the Old Testament saints had some
"light" and they were responsible to respond to it. The
CROSS has always been the basis for our salvation. Those
who came before it looked forward in time to when it
would be fulfilled. Those of us who have lived after
Jesuss Day look back to that time when it was
accomplished. This is the basis for our salvation. The
means of our salvation is always faith, encompassing
all who lived before and all who lived after the Cross who
"believed God" and whatever revelatory information they
had at that time. And the results of our faith are always
expressed in being obedient to those things which God has revealed.
I hope this information and the other files I have recommended you
to read will answer your above question.
Do Babies Go to Hell? #2
This is one of those items that, as you know, God has not
revealed. Consider this: If we think they don't, that is,
that God takes them all to Heaven, then abortion and the
killing of those before the so-called age of accountability
would be a great way to have more babies go to Heaven.
Consider, what percent of those that reach the so-called age of
accountability get saved/born again. By aborting and killing
the young children we could increase that to 100 percent.
This would of course make abortion and murder good.
Thank you for this response to my remarks about the above topic.
First of all, I respectfully disagree with your first statement.
It seems to me that, while we do not have a total answer to this
question from the Scriptures, I enumerated several lines of thought
pertaining to the question, one of which was a clear, biblical
example recorded of a child who had died and went to heaven. So I
dont think you could say "God has not revealed anything about
this issue to us. We do have some information and insight
from the Scriptures.
So I will restate my conviction that I do believe there are
not--nor will there ever be--any children in hell.
Secondly, I dont follow your logic in your next statement.
Given my view, any infant death--whether from abortion, accident,
disease, assault or other causes--does not matter: All
babies go to heaven. And so aborting children would not be
a great way to have more babies go to Heaven, as you suggest, since
all of them go to Heaven.
Thirdly, you have tacked on to this another issue which must be
kept separate from the above. You say, I think, that we would be
doing some persons (those who are not going to become
Christians after they have reached the age of accountability when
they are held responsible to God for their choices and behavior) a
big "favor" by aborting them. I hope I am reading you
right.
There are several things very wrong about what you propose: (a)
I would assume that you believe, as I do, that the
"termination of a pregnancy" (i.e., a euphemism for
killing and destroying an unborn infant) is murder. This is a
violation of the Sixth Commandment (Ex. 20:13). This commandment
alone is in opposition to what you suggest. (b) Further, in order
to carry out such a task, you would literally have to be God
Himself, since you dont know which ones are the
"fledgling" non-believers upon whom you are to perform
your acts of "mercy." (c) But why stop there? Why not
go ahead and do the same with the mentally-impaired? The comatose?
The "non compos mentis" elderly? Would they not also
qualify? Something is wrong with this picture.
Fourthly, you say that carrying out such an enterprise would
"make abortion and murder good." This is actually very
far from what I view as a Scriptural perspective. Paul asks,
"Shall we sin (continue in sin) so that (we can see) grace
abound? (Romans 6:1)" In other words, should we take advantage
of Gods forgiveness of sins through Christ and go on sinning so we
can see His marvelous Grace go to work to cover it? Paul says,
"God forbid." He elaborates on this later on: "Let
love be without hypocrisy. Abhor what is evil; cleave to what is
good (12:9)." Earlier Paul defends his actions against those
who were criticizing him and his colleagues, "slanderously
reporting that we say, let us do evil that
good may come. Their condemnation is just (Romans
3:8)." In Psalm 109:3-5 Davids words could easily be applied
to the unborn: "They have spoken against me. . they have also
surrounded me with words of hatred, And fought against me
without cause. In return for my love (innocence) they act
as my accusers;...Thus they have repaid me evil for good.
...and hatred for my love." In II
Corinthians 13:7,8 Paul says, "Now we pray to God that
you do no wrong...but that you may do what is right .
...For we can do nothing against the truth, but only
for the truth." In Proverbs 17:13 it says, "He
who returns evil for good, Evil will not depart from his
house." And "He who justifies the wicked, and he
who condemns the righteous, Both of them alike are an
abomination to the Lord (vs. 15,16)." And Moses says,
"I call heaven and earth to witness against you today, that I
have set before you life and death, the blessing and
the curse. So choose life in order that you may live, you
and your seed, by loving the Lord your God, by obeying His
voice, and by holding fast to Him; for this is your life and
the length of your days (Deut. 30:19,20)." And finally, James
says, "Let no one say when he is tempted, I am being tempted
by God; for God cannot be tempted by evil, and He Himself does
not tempt anyone [to do evil] (James 1:13)."
The principle is pretty clear: "It is never
right to do wrong in order to do right."
"It is never good to do evil in order to do
good."
I hope this answers your question, ______ .
Gods blessings,
Jimmy Williams, Founder
Probe Ministries
Do Babies Go To Hell #3
First, I want to say that our family has been blessed by the
ministry of Probe. Ive caught up on my mail, and just read the
answer to the questions "Do Babies Go to Hell?" There is
a passage in Romans that always comes to mind in this regard. It
is Romans 7:9.
I was once alive apart from the Law; but when the commandment
came, sin became alive and I died;
This is "the" verse that really spoke to
me about the existence of an "age of accountability,"
whatever that age may be. Being a Jew, and a Pharisee at that, Im
sure Paul had a knowledge of the law on some level at an early age.
But it wasnt until it "came" to him (he understood it?)
that he was accountable, i.e. he "died" (came under
condemnation which he knew was worthy of death).
Just though Id pass this on. I might not have bothered to
respond, not wanting to take time to look up the verse, but I just
read Romans 7 this morning so it was "quite" fresh in my
mind. And I can never read this without thinking of this
point. May the Lord continue to bless your ministry.
PraiSing Him,
______
Dear ______,
Thank you for your e-mail and comments on Romans 7:9. It really
relates to this subject. I am glad you are benefiting from the
Probe web site. Thank you for expressing your appreciation, which
is a real encouragement to all the Probe Staff.
Jimmy Williams
Probe Ministries
Do Babies Go To Hell #4
I frequent your web site and have enjoyed it
thoroughly. It has helped to shape me and has been a source
of Gods truth for me. For that I am grateful!! I dont think
that once I have ever felt that you have been different than what
Gods truth says. Below I raise some questions about the recent
article about babies salvation. Please comment to help me
understand how you feel. Thanks.
First of all, the Bible says that "all have sinned and
fall short of the glory of God." All we like sheep have gone
astray, we have turned everyone to our own way. . ."
"there is none that doeth good, no not one." These
folks that believe that children wont be held accountable for
their sins, I believe, dont understand the fallen nature of man
and the righteous character of an all-Holy God.
Even David had a handle on this doctrine when he wrote in Psalm
51: "Behold, I was shaped in iniquity and in sin did my
mother conceive me."
Its important to note that the "all" and
"everyone" listed above means all people, even babies,
born and yet unborn. We are by nature sinful, which means we are
spiritually dead and enemies of God. Spiritually-dead people (of
any age) cannot make themselves spiritually alive any more than
physically-dead people can make themselves physically alive.
Spiritually-dead babies are enemies of God and separated from
Him and completely unable to change that situation. The nature of
God is that He is totally just and righteous. The Bible says,
"I am of purer eyes than to behold iniquity." "The
soul that sinneth, it shall die." "I will by no means
clear the guilty." He had sworn a "thousand" times
in Scripture to punish sin wherever He finds it. His justice
demands that He do it. He cannot make any exceptions.
So. . .this is why Jesus came to earth to die on the cross. If
babies were not going to be held accountable for their sins (and
would automatically go to heaven when they die) as this fellow
teaches, then Jesus wasnt needed for them. This path would lead
us to believe that Jesus came to die only for those who have
reached that mystical "age of accountability" and
understand their sinful condition and can make a decision regarding
the gospel. It is true that as we mature and do become aware of
our thoughts and behavior and choices that we will be held
accountable for them. Those who assert that the age of
accountability is when children become responsible before God, yet
none of them seem to know when that age is. Wouldnt it seem
important to know that?
One more thing. By stating that we must reach this (unknown)
age before we can understand and believe and thus be responsible
for our salvation puts some of the credit for our being saved upon
US, doesnt it?
The business of enlightening souls and saving same belongs to
the Holy spirit. Martin Luther stated, "I cannot by my own
reason or strength believe in God or come to Him" We are
saved by God alone. "By grace are you saved through faith,
and that not of yourselves. It is the gift of God, not of works,
lest any man should boast."
We are accountable for our sins from conception and can only be
saved when the Holy Spirit gives us this faith and changes us from
spiritually dead to spiritually alive. This is why we embrace
Baptism. In I Peter 3:21, Peter states: "Therefore we
conclude, that Baptism doth also save us, not the removal of the
filth of the flesh, but the answer of a good conscience toward God,
through the resurrection of Jesus Christ."
In Baptism, we are responding to a command of Christs and the
Holy Spirit promises to save us through the water and the Word by
this act. What do you think of this?
Thank you for your recent e-mail. I appreciate the fact that
you have found benefit from the Probe Website. I am the
fellow you refer to who is responsible for writing the
e-mail, "Do Babies Go to Hell?"
In your first two paragraphs you mention the fact that from
conception babies bear the stamp of sin. I have no problem with
this as long as we understand what that means. And what it means
is that babies are members of a fallen race (See my discussion on
this in E-Mail #1). Sin is passed on genetically from the male.
This was why the Virgin Birth was necessary and specifically why
Jesus was "without sin." He is therefore the only
exception to the general rule.
And I also agree with you that apart from the working of God,
all humans are spiritually dead until they hear the Gospel, respond
to it and are born again into the family of God.
You say that "spiritually-dead babies (born and unborn) are
enemies of God, separated from Him, and are completely unable to
change that situation." And I agree with you on the basis of
what I have just said above. But I want to ask you a question. Do
you then believe that every embryo, every unborn fetus, and all
toddlers, lets say, from the beginning of time until now, are
actually in hell? What if we add four and five-year olds? Them
too? I dont think so. But this is what you are asserting to be
true.
I point you back to a review of my original discussion in E-Mail
#1 about an alternative to your conclusion and one which has some
(not exhaustive) support in the Scriptures. Specifically, I would
ask you to focus on Davids experience with his newborn son (from
Bathsheba) who became sick and died seven days after his birth (II
Samuel 11 and 12). After the child has died, David says, "I
shall go to him, but he will not return to me (12:22,23)." Now
here is a baby that had, as we all do, a sin nature, but
didnt go to Hell. In Psalm 23 we have a clear indication
of where David felt he would be after death: "I will dwell in
the house of the Lord forever." And he anticipated that he
would again see his little son.
In your next paragraph you make the assumption that those who
have not reached the age of accountability have no need of a
Savior. I dont follow your logic. On the basis of your own
premise that all in Adam are tainted with sin and are in need of a
redeemer, I dont understand why you would say His death would not
apply to these young ones as well. You do admit that "it
is true that as we mature and do become aware of our thoughts and
behavior and choices that we will be held accountable for
them." That is exactly the point. The primary reason
that Christian parents hesitate to explain the Gospel to very young
children is because those parents want them to be old enough to
fully UNDERSTAND what Jesus did for them.
This leads me on to answer your question about "pinning
down" what/when that age might be. I dont think we can
arbitrarily pick an exact age for everyone. There are too many
variables. But we do know this: there are FOUR components
necessary for one to come to a saving knowledge of Jesus Christ.
We find them in Pauls interchange with Lydia in Acts 16:14:
"And a certain woman named Lydia. . .was (1) listening,
and the (2) Lord opened her heart to respond to the (3)
things spoken by (4) Paul."
In Acts 9:27-39 we have the account of Philips encounter with
the Ethiopian Eunuch, who was reading Isaiah 53 out loud as he sat
in his chariot. Philip ran up and asked him, "Do you
understand what you are reading? The eunuch answered,
"How could I, unless someone guides me?" You know
the rest of the story. My point here is that even adults
dont become Christians until they, with the enlightenment of the
Holy Spirit, come to understand the gospel and see it with
the eyes of faith. Would it be any less important for
children to have the same understanding?
We also find in the Scriptures times when God overlooked
sin under certain circumstances as the redemptive work unfolded
through time: "the redemption which is in Christ Jesus; whom
God displayed publicly as a propitiation in His blood through
faith. This was to demonstrate His righteousness , because of the
passing over of the sins previously committed in the
forbearance of God (Romans 3:24-25." (See also Acts
17:30; Romans 5:13,14). You will also find other, similar elements
in the first e-mail.
In your next paragraph you indicate you feel special credit is
due those who come to a place of accountability to God, and that
their use of reason or comprehension somehow negates the work of
the Spirit. I point you back to Lydia. NO ONE COMES TO CHRIST
WITHOUT UNDERSTANDING THE GOSPEL. This involves reason.
And part of that reasoning is to comprehend Romans 6:23--it is, as
you mention, by grace and not of works, "lest
anyone might boast."
You conclude with some comments about baptism, and quote I Peter
3:21. I am not sure why you included this in the discussion, but
let me comment: First of all, I am wondering if you are including
believer baptism as part of the Gospel: that is, you believe
one does not become a Christian when he believes the
Gospel, but rather that you only accomplish when you are baptized.
I am assuming that you are not here referring to infant baptism,
which, incidentally, is used by some segments of Christendom to do
something to cover these young ones until they come of an
age when they can understand the Gospel. I do not
personally believe that baptizing an infant with water, without an
understanding of the Gospel, accomplishes anything.
It isnt even mentioned in Scripture.
Further, Paul tells us clearly in Romans 1:16 that he is
"not ashamed of the gospel, for it is the
power of God unto salvation for every one who
believes." And so it is clear that the
Gospel is the power of God unto Salvation, and
nothing else. But we find in 1 Corinthians 1:17 that Paul
clearly distinguishes between the Gospel and Baptism:
"For Christ did not send me to baptize, but to preach
the gospel." Evidently, Paul does not include baptism
as part of the gospel, but rather saw it as the appropriate
response of obedience following ones conversion. Even the verse
you quote from Peter must be carefully read: Peter qualifies his
statement about baptism by making sure he is not misunderstood. He
appears to me to be saying that water will not wash away sin, but
rather, in obedience to the command of Christ, the believer,
in good conscience toward God, gives his answer, or his response,
to the truth of the Gospel by submitting to baptism. Baptism is
a public testimony of ones inner commitment to the Person and Work
of Christ: "The word is near you, in your mouth, and
in your heart.--That is, the word of faith which we are
preaching, that if you confess with your mouth Jesus
as Lord, and believe in your heart that God raised
Him from the dead, you shall be saved; for with the
heart man believes, resulting in righteousness, and with
the mouth he confesses, resulting in
salvation.
You asked me to comment on these issues and I have tried to do
this as honestly as I can from my understanding of Gods Word. You
may not be comfortable with all of my responses, but I have given
you my "best shot."
May the Lord bless you and your family,
Jimmy Williams, Founder
Probe Ministries
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